The fact is, the vast majoriy of books probably are sold on their covers, and the publishers know this very well.

hi PN,
well, guess this is for the stupid people who don't know how to read a book review and just like looking at the pictures, like me. time out-had to get my second cup of coffee. still early here and the birds and squirrels are just getting around to breakfast. and pepper has to pee in the backyard. just watch smiley doo out there pepper, he is still a little testy since he broke up with his gator girlfriend last week. momma comes home tomorrow night and i'm gonna be a happy camper. home cookin' again. cajun's gonna eat good in the neighborhood. ain't lost a damn pound either since she's been gone, eatin' about one meal a day. go figure. guess them diet sodas don't work so well. but then i don't do a lot of excercise being a disabled veteran either. but i didn't gain any weight either. so that was good. had a good auction at the stamp club and bought some good items at reasonable prices. i'm the auctioneer as well as the sec/editor for the club. but sometimes i have to use some crowd control on them as they talk too much during the auction. think i will get one of them power squirt guns and when they do, wham, give 'em a blast. that ought to quiet them down. 'course i won't have it loaded, but they wont know that. yep, that will do the trick. i am the little devil, ain't i? wonder what 3 cups of coffee will do? y'all take care. better get the dishes done and some sprucing up the house before the ol' lady gets home.
later gators,
cajunsr.

Yes, if I feed in Coin I get
"Un Coin de Provence" (a corner of Province)
but also
"The Coin Atlas" by Joe Cribb (and others).

This is a most excellent book. If you don't know it, go and have a look.
If you are a resident of Stockholm, of course.

"The Stamp Atlas" also exists.

They tell you who was using what, when, where, and why .

Postlynx my old buddy, you old Viking, all is forgiven,
please see
Link (http)

and comment.

It starts (in French) "Because of this word "modicus", I don't know if he thinks the stamps of Krajina etc are fantasies or not" but then it continues in English. The French contributors have referred to YOU, Postlynx, and to Cajun.

Dear Fellows,

First, about coins and paper money I don´t know anything.

However for stamps I hope their´s no question about the
"official status" about Katanga , Biafra, Turkmenistan and Alderney
and that Herm and Lundu are Locals.

For Bosnia there are three postal administation in charge issuing their own stamps and all is valid for domestic and foreign mail.

1.) The Croat Postal Administration of Hercegovina and Bosnia
2.) The Postal Administation of Republika Srbska
3.) The Postal Administation of the Republic of Bosnia Hercegovina

The Republic of Bosnia Hercegivina is formed by:
The Federation of Hercegovina and Bosna (That is the croat and bosniak part of the country) PLUS Republika Srbska.

The Federation does NOT issue stamps neither do the bosniak part
of the same Federation. The latter use stamps issued by the
Republic of Bosnia Hercegovia but in the croat part stamps
from the The Croat Postal Administration of Hercegovina and Bosnia
is use.

The picture shows a sheet of stamps from the Croat REPUBLIC of Bosnia Hercegovina which was valid for postage for domestic and foreign mail as well as all the other stamps issued. The issuing postal administration is the very same as The Croat Postal Administration of Hercegovina and Bosnia of today. However today their is no Croatian Republic. This republic merged together with the bosniaks into the federation mentioned above but the croats kept their postal administration and right to issue their own stamps as they still do.

Rgds.
PL

This is wonderful stuff which will be much appreciated by the French questioner. Obviously you understood the question, or at least my version of it.

Thank you.

I am going to copy this to the French website, otherwise they will not see it ! This is the system we have .

Don't forget that you will not be informed of responses to it automatically, so you need to look at the link I have given you from time to time .

There is another question there now in English and French, aimed at Cajun, but the more the merrier.

There are three more comments now,since I added Postlynx with a little explanation. So have a look at
Link (http)

but frankly I can't undestand these comments. I think our French friends have made them deliberately obscure.

The best of the French philatelists is Gepetto. He has asked a question in both French and English which you might be able to answer.

Great but what was the question/s?
I get lost in the french forum

Rgds.
PL

Great but what was the question/s?
I get lost in the french forum

Rgds.
PL

Dear stamps collectors,


We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.

Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.

Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.

However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.

This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.


Thank you

Dear stamps collectors,


We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.

Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.

Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.

However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.

This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.


Thank you

Dear stamps collectors,


We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.

Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.

Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.

However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.

This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.


Thank you

Hey Guys,

How about this?

"We have noticed, that some of the stamps you sell are concerned: stamps from Afghanistan dated after 1989, because no stamps have been officially issued after 1989 in Afghanistan.

But the stamps in concern were issued 1998....or not?
Further Afghanistan send tons of letters every day with officially issued stamps so what to say guys?

Anyway, I removed the item for the time beeing until things
will be straighten up.

Anyone around with knowledge about Afghani stamps?

Cheers,
M.

Having some informations directly from the Universal Postal Union headquaters in Berne Switzerlan, I can tell that the official representative of the Afghan postal administration has repeatedly, in 1998 an 2000, complained about the numerous bogus stamps, which have been illegally printed and spread by private entrepeneurs in the name of the Afghan Post. According to a statement by this Afghan representative, no postage stamps have been officially issued in Afghaninstan after 1989. Furthermore, the Stanley Gibbons catalog of 2006 edition does not list any Afghan stamps after 1989.

I don´t know where you have seen tons of Afghan post, for me it would be quite enough to see just one letter with a stamp issued after 1989 and postally run, with a genuine official postmark. Can you show me a such one?

A bientôt, Finnsailor.

Having some informations directly from the Universal Postal Union headquaters in Berne Switzerlan, I can tell that the official representative of the Afghan postal administration has repeatedly, in 1998 an 2000, complained about the numerous bogus stamps, which have been illegally printed and spread by private entrepeneurs in the name of the Afghan Post. According to a statement by this Afghan representative, no postage stamps have been officially issued in Afghaninstan after 1989. Furthermore, the Stanley Gibbons catalog of 2006 edition does not list any Afghan stamps after 1989.

I don´t know where you have seen tons of Afghan post, for me it would be quite enough to see just one letter with a stamp issued after 1989 and postally run, with a genuine official postmark. Can you show me a such one?

A bientôt, Finnsailor.

Are we really to believe that there has been no postal service in Afghanistan since 1989 ? There must have been, and the stamps stuck on it would be official enough for most people.

What does the official representative of the Afghan postal administration at the UPU do if there is no post, indeed what does the Afghan postal administration do ?

You could say that they still use old pre-1989 stamps, but are the designs and the values still acceptable ? Have they been reprinted in a form always indistinguishable from the originals ?

Nice to see that the Stanley Gibbons catalogue is seen as THE authority in Finland, though. However, what is the position with American stamp catalgoues and Cuba ? Are there no collectable stamps in Cuba because the USA says they must not be collected ?

Frank

Hello Cajun,


Marking fake stamps is a good idea but I personally think that asking sellers to do this is virtually impossible, at least in the short run.

Just thing of how we would force sellers to do this, how they would react, including the most honest ones, which stamps will have to be marked, what if a stamps is not yet listed in an official catalog and do one-cent stamps have to be marked too ?

For the moment, let's try to stay focused on the terminology matter.

Another good idea would be to write a guide that would be intended for novice collectors. Thanks to this guide they would learn more about the different types of stamps, how to find out if a stamp is official or not and so on... This guide could even include a glossary with terms such as Bogus, Cinderella, etc...

Do you think this would help?

Hi Pascal,

Stamp marking is a very interesting subject, I have started a post about it on the french forum, lot of readers, but few dare to give their opinions. Too touchy I believe.

Staring such policy is a real challenge as you know, and the points you metionned for not pushing it too fast are perfectly valid.

However, since the APS do recommend that forged stamps be marked, (I checked with them), since eBay.com (US), is clearly stating in its charts that forged stamps must be marked, I believe Delcampe should have the same policy stated in the delcampe.com chart (US), as well.

Such policy, if supported by Delcampe.com will be seen as a sign of good will from Delcampe, and will show the way to our friends in Europe, not yet ready for such a move.

I totally agree that enforcing this kind of policy is more than a challenge. A quick look on eBay.com shows that vendors following it are scarce.

But I do believe that we should start somewhere, forged stamps business is a plague that grow at high speed, and as a repository database for stamps offered for sale, you have an enormous "morale" responsibility to fight against it.

As mentionned by some members, fake stamps, even identified as such in descriptions, will be back on the market as genuine, sooner or later. Let's try to do something about it.

Best regards,

Patrick.

This recommendation will be added to the Delcampe French Chart and translated into different languages. The Chart is the same for all the members using the website.

If you have a closer look to the current version of the Delcampe Chart, here is what you will find:

- Sellers have the obligation to write the word 'FORGERY' in the title if selling such stamps.
- Sellers have the obligation to refund their buyers if the item bought is different from the description or picture given.

No need to say that sellers can be suspended or sued if selling forgeries not described as such on purpose.

We also have a link on each sale allowing members to report an item to Delcampe. Many members are helping us this way and Delcampe moderators are also helping us to contact sellers or close sales right away if needed (see our 'Moderator's guide' for much information about our moderator's program).

Finally, you will see in our different guides ('buyer's guide', 'Way to the perfect transaction', ...) that we give all kinds of recommendations in order to buy safely (for instance: buy from club+ members, read feedback, use trusted third party services, use the forums and ask other collectors for advice...)

As you can see, we are already doing our utmost to fight against this problem. We believe that it is more effective to teach buyers how to buy safely instead of forcing sellers to have all their stamps examined by an expert. Not all sellers can afford this and it would be absurd for inexpensive stamps. What we are fighting against are bad-willed forgers and they will never mark their stamps...


Pascal

Dear stamps collectors,


We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.

Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.

Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.

However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.

This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.


Thank you

Dear stamps collectors,


We have noticed that some inexperienced collectors were buying stamps without knowing that they were not official issues. If buyers knew that the stamps were not officially issued, we believe that they might have changed their mind.

Fortunately, most of the sellers do not try to hide this information from their buyers and even if there is a slight chance that the stamps are official, they prefer saying they are not. But they all use different terms and ways to describe unofficial issues.

Therefore, what the @admin157 and myself are currently doing is to establish some standards; we ask all the sellers concerned to add the words BOGUS or FORGERY or FAKE or PRIVATE ISSUE, etc... written in capital letters in the titles. If the sellers are not sure of the origin, we also ask them to mention it in the title. This way, if we apply the same rule to all the sellers, they will all be treated equally and the buyers will know what they are buying.

However, a list of terms needs to be drawn up. Many sellers have already suggested some terms to be added to this list but inexperienced collectors will be very unlikely to understand these terms and this new regulation would be pointless.

This is why I am now asking for your help and advice.


Thank you

Pascal ,
A Catagory Fakes Forgery`s and Propaganda.Will help but remember the following occurs often:
A) Regumming
B) Re-perfing
C) Fake cancellations
D) Fake stamps
E) Reprints better than the Originals.
F) Local Issues ?
G) Propaganda Fake Fakes
H) Over Prints Faked
So not an easy Subject to prevent as most collectors buy on impluse ,by this I mean a Bargain.
Is EXPERTISING of the dearer stamps the answer,I and my Partner idiekman often get our German stamps expertised from the early German Period from 1872-1945 to solve this problem.
The image below is a Fake stamp
Pascal

hey bdog,
but how is it identified as a fake? is it marked on the back 'faux' or 'fake'. that is my point about having the stamps marked so they aren't marketed in the future as genuine. this is the APS policy and i feel the best policy to use. the APS has been around a very long time and has experts from around the world, not just the u.s.a. . their philatelic library is one of the finest in the world and their expertizaton service one of the best.

if you wish to become an APS member, they are having a 1/2 price membership drive. you can join thru an APS affiliated club such as mine. just contact me for information thru delcampe. germany does have APS affiliated clubs. it is the only european country that does.

amities,
cajunsr.

Cajjy,
hope you received my copy to Pn . Shame a real pity
What I mean to say is that as a Club Member this is how you would like it to be
In reallity it works different
Stamp dealers or anybody can say I bought it in good faith and the Cat does not mentioned that fakes have been made and they resell it.
Or reperfed stamps /regummed how many people know about it ,the EXPERTS /CLUBS yes but a person handed down a Collection has NO IDEA what an EXPERTISED FAKE FAKE LOOKS LIKE .
A month ago Ingo and I looked at a German Collection , and refused to touch it because it had a lot of fakes included (price was Fantastic),the Owner was upset because it was HANDED DOWN from Father to Son.
We took his Danzig collection and boy oh boy .We had taken a gamble .Looked in a specialist Cat and paid over 150 USD Expertised Fees.
The Expert sent us some stamps back that could be real (GREY AREA)!!!!!!So is it real or not.
That why I think a Fake Catogory is important,let the people see what a Fake is and the Seller then is more careful and people like me and Ingo can say PLEASE REMOVE YOUR STAMP AND PUT IT IN THE CORRECT CATOGORY ""FAKES""
Here is a quote from you Cajjy" seb(delcampe) must set the same standards as ebay and yahoo. that is a no brainer."
So lets have a Fake and Proganda Section

hi bdog,
you are missing the point. placing the fake stamps in a 'fake' category does not solve the problem. the stamps themselves must be marked 'faux' on the back with indelible ink. if not, they can be resold as genuine. that is the APS's and my opinion of what should be done. and it is a very sound policy. had those stamps that you described been marked in this fashion, they would not have been bought or exhorbitant sums paid for them. do you understand what i am saying? however, some bonafide fakes actually do sell for more than the originals. case in point, the fakes of the hitler issues done by the allies. or other fakes done by the allies done for france. or the fournier fakes, or the sperati fakes (? spelling). but these are usually marked. anyhow, that's my 3 cents worth.

later gator,
cajunsr.



p.s.- it is a shame what has happened to PN. this should not be tolerated by the members of the site. he is innocent of the charges. another person in history tried to rid his community of undesirable persons, over 6 million of them. perhaps we need to remind the community of europe and delcampe europe of this.